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Good one!

Look, you may think this pathetic exsitance is all there is, and that is your oppinion. But you can’t and never will take it away from those who do believe. People like you want to ban everything that someone like me stands for, and that is completely bull. If you don’t want to see, don’t look, if you don’t want to hear don’t listen. I personally would never push religion on anyone. It is something that you don’t need proof of you just know. And you my friend do not. If anything I feel sorry for you. Have you ever lost someone close to you? How could you believe that you will never see that person again, How can you not want to believe? This matter is way bigger than you and me. It comes down to this, If you don’t want it in your life, stop writing about it, don’t even think about it. If it bothers you that much just think how much you are bothering the people that think opposite of you. You are a contradictor of your own words. No one is forcing you to believe in the Lord, so stop trying to put in peoples heads what they have believed for centuries is not real. You say we have no proof, well you have no proof of The Lord not exsiting. It is so sad when I see people like you trying to take Him away from us, but you just make me stronger in believing. And for that I thank you…..

Your opinions on me and “people like me” hold only if you can point out where and when I have argued for banning religion or your personal need to believe in a Creator. Meanwhile, the topic is about a fight for the slow disintegration of scientific thought, which is certainly not coming from people like me. Trying to make a box fail to hold anything just because your Stuff doesn’t fit in it is not a sign of intelligence; it’s actually one of desperation.

“If you don’t want it in your life, stop writing about it, don’t even think about it.”

The words of an honest and investigative mind—seems someone can’t follow their own advice. But if you can keep folks like the Cobb County geniuses from insinuating their narrow views of the world upon everyone else through fiat, I may do that. Until then…you’re welcome.

Mama: “this pathetic existence” - whoah… hey, life may not be perfect; heck, to some of us it might just be pointless, but I don’t know many of the faithful who would so casually denigrate all of creation! But even those of us who don’t believe in G-d would hesitate to say what you just took for granted because life, or rather “existence”, is all that there is, at least for the moment. Moreover, from an epistemological perspective now, how can you possibly make this judgment without something to compare it to? I may be presumptive, but I was under the impression that you were Christian, and therefore didn’t believe in reincarnation.

“I personally would never push religion on anyone… If anything I feel sorry for you… How can you not want to believe?” - ok, so perhaps there may have been an aggressive tone to his piece, but the focus was to illuminate how some people who hold one idea tend to “push” it upon others; It was not a direct attack on religion itself, but rather the behavior of some of her lesser followers– people who, because they lack understanding of the beliefs of others may therefore attempt to denigrate the other people.

“People like you want to ban everything that someone like me stands for, and that is completely bull.”
-the “sticker” prompt was in reaction to the Creationist attack on evolution; “kafkaesqui” was irreverently reversing the situation on the religious. It is interesting that your heated reaction mirrors the exact sentiments of the scientific minds of our community. Perhaps you should consider that.

“It is so sad when I see people like you trying to take Him away from us, but you just make me stronger in believing.”
No one is here to denigrate religion. No one is here to denigrate the faithful. But I am here to point out– because I live in this world too, and I certainly don’t want to be told what “people like [me] want to” do– that what I “see” comes from taking a long hard look at the world as it is, not from arguing to dismiss others. Nowhere in either my comments or “kafkaesqui”’s is there a challenge to what you may hold as a personal belief. I would ask you, however, not to speak down to others: it is insulting.

“well you have no proof of the Lord not ex[is]ting”
- …first off: “kafkaesqui” wasn’t arguing against the existence of your Lord, so the point is irrelevant. Yet, moreover, because “people like” me and kaf first try to look at the world, see it, and then try to understand it, our theories of it would not be built on something that could not be observed. I’m going to be careful here because I don’t want to appear to insult you. Between kaf and you, a divide has arisen because you two have taken different steps in understanding the world: Kaf depends on reason, and you depend on faith. Reason applies logic to what can be observed and thereby derives understanding. Faith depends on articles (dogma) that counsel belief, thereby deriving an understanding. Because they have different foundations, the implications of one cannot be argued against the implications of another. Rather, all that can be discussed is whether one should strive for understanding through faith or through reason. The rest is moot.

When you died and faces GOD in all his glory then the theory will become a fact..

When I “died?” I love getting religious comments from the future. How’d that Rapture thing work out for you?

I won’t respond to the previous comments as some of them are just plain ignorant. Am I religious, to some, yes, to others I’m a blasphemous heathen. I’ll just call myself spiritual.

I wanted to note something about the article which you referenced. The stickers were put on text books in biology class. Those text books are used in school (public schools funded by the Government). Your asking to put these stickers on religious texts holds no merit because religion is not taught in public schools. Most of science is theory - that is a fact.

When I was taught biology (and all other sciences for that matter - including college) - my teachers and professers told the class they were theories. No one had to put stickers on the books. But today, these lines are becoming greyed and there needs to be some level of moderation.

Teachers are not allowed to whip open a Bible or Torah or Quran or any other religious works and just start teaching “hey, this is how life was created”. Having the stickers on the textbook does not imply that one religion over another is the real way the world was created.

Not even in my regilious studies and philosophy classes did the teachers discuss the religious works as facts - they stated they were theories as well.

why is it that i, myself believe in a higher power, but yet dont talk nor push it on people? I dont have a religion because most of them have an belief in a “god” who knows what you will do before you do it. And why would i want to live my life out knowing that someone has already made my steps out for me. It just does not click in my mind.

and why is it, that if someone doesnt believe in the next, then they are “banning” your so called beliefs, its just as the same as stating ones religion.
im only 18, a bit young and i have some time to learn, but i know what i believe and i know i am not banning nor pushing someone else beliefs